privately there is actual revolts at state legislatures. we can't get out of our own way. >> christine, i want to play devil's advocate for a moment. does this report, which gives the u.s. a solid "d" across the board -- in fact, some of our best grades with a c-plus in waste management or something like that -- does it overstate how serious the issue is? >> it is a serious issue, but a "d" grade, for example, a few years an appropriations staffer told me, look, it's the american society of civil eng noors. they want a lot of this work. they count every last berm and bridge. >> they might be an interested party, spend $3 trillion on infrastructure. >> and the view at least in washington is, look, this is maybe rallying for union jobs. they don't want to be seen as wanting to go after too much infrastructure spending with government money. the other interesting thing to me about this, too, is other countries are starting from scratch. we have roads, bridges, cell tower, we have airports, all these things already.